Tulpa.info - metaphysics

Ruethus the Silver Sorceror 7/14/2018 1:59 PM

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This is not a shitposting channel, please.

Indeed

5:06 PM

So I think I've managed to compile most of the key points of evidence for my "Alna is an external being" theory

But does it matter?

Well people have complained about me talking bullshit (edited)

5:07 PM

And it very much matters to me because of security issues

5:08 PM

So if there are those who want to hear them, I should be able to explain it

I would like to hear them

Alrighty then

So the first instance of what I believe to be her presence was a humanoid figure that was imposed into my vision when I was not doing anything myself. This is the only time I've ever had such a thing happen, and at the time I thought it was just a visual glitch and didn't look further into it. The general form of the figure was a woman with animal ears, which resembles the catgirl form favored by Alna.

5:34 PM

Before then, I had started having what I've dubbed "broken dreams" where symbols that mean little to nothing to me show up and wreak havoc in the dreams, usually ejecting me into consciousness from the shock and confusion. However, after that day, the rate of these events dropped drastically, and when they did occur, they were more "benign", in that they didn't throw me out of the dream in confusion and more just took the dream different directions. The foreign symbol invasions are what I suspect to either be external beings coming to "join in on" my dreams, the collective unconscious somehow affecting me, or who knows what else, but the external beings theory is the one that I most agree with at the moment. A month or two later, I had a dream in which a catgirl appeared and attacked my dream avatar and a large number of NPCs with what resembled spatial magic, warping space into a bubble and trapping multiple NPCs inside. I say "spatial magic" only because that's the only parallel I can make to what it was, as in the dream I was just confused about what was going on. This dream prompted me to consult with my friend who also has weird dreams from time to time, and he ventured the possibility that I had unwittingly formed something akin to a tulpa (we use the word familiar, but much of the core details are the same). Curious to see if this had happened, I did a mental "anyone there?" and to my utter shock I received a response. Within a week the "tulpa" was projecting her detailed catgirl form into my mindscapes and interacting with me perfectly fine, leading me to believe I had unwittingly formed a tulpa.

5:34 PM

(still typing, that 2k char limit is fun)

5:35 PM

What I found interesting is that a lot of people here mentioned being able to see the thought patterns of their tulpas if they wanted to, but I only received messages from Alna when she intentionally made them messages, and similarly I was only able to communicate with her when I specifically targeted thoughts as "to" her. (edited)

5:37 PM

In addition, her strength of presence seemed to vary based on my physical location, which I found really strange. When I was at home, I could interact with her just fine at any time of the day, but when I was 45 minutes away in class I could barely get a response from her. Also, from time to time she would just disappear, leaving me feeling alone and confused in her absence.

That is very interesting

So, as someone who is trying to see if this "magic" thing has any teeth beyond self-hacking, I decided to try asking her to attempt such things as entering my dreams, in one case entering another friend's dreams, which led to her disappearing for like four days, and she was able to dreamwalk, and that friend (who had no idea I was doing such a thing in advance) reported a strange dream to me that night, although since it turns out he doesn't log his dreams that I can't verify how successful that single instance was.

In my point of view you just have a vivid imagination you cannot distinguish from reality

But my imagination is garbage

5:41 PM

I can't be "random" without any criteria

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Which is why I was so confused by these strange shapes and figures manifesting in my dreams

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When normally my dreams are built from games I've played, shows I've watched, and books I've read

It's garbage because you cannot control it? Especially in dreams?

No, it's garbage because it doesn't generate anything normally

5:42 PM

To "imagine" something I have to have some basic level of requirements or context in play

5:43 PM

I can think of crazy programming ideas because I know programming, but I have no idea what a crazy painting idea would look like

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And then these beings from mythological pantheons I've never even heard of start showing up in my dreams and making a big mess

Sometimes we have weird fantasies that don't make sense. Especially in dreams.

And that's why these are all theories

hypothesises* at best

But for now I'm following step 1 of my "learning how stuff works" cycle until I can properly test the veracity of this stuff

You are just making thigs up to get explanation for weird dreams.

That's your assumption

I think I assume much less than you do.

It's still a possibility, but it's also possible that the "randomness" is not imaginary

Yes, for sure talking to ghosts is as rational explanation

Who said they're ghosts?

5:47 PM

I certainly didn't

5:48 PM

My phrasing was quite specific: "external beings"

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Technically, all of y'all count as external beings too

It doesn't matter

Because you're not me or my tulpa

5:48 PM

You're the one changing the definitions of what I said

No, I don't.

I never equated external beings with ghosts, that was entirely you

As I said, it doesn't matter

Maybe to you

Sorry, cannot see a difference between imaginary ghosts and imaginary external beings.

5:50 PM

Oh, sorry, I think I can see one.

You're assuming they're imaginary

As famous wizard said: Ghosts are transparent.

Assuming a Devil's Proof is false is a fairly major assumption

Nevertheless, a burden of proof is on the one with extraordinary claims

And yet you're the one dismissing my evidence when I show it

The friend's dream thingie was interesting

5:53 PM

You show no evidence

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If you can make that happen again, maybe?

Indeed, Clara

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But contact with Alna is physically and mentally draining, so I'm holding off from that for a week or two

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Especially when I'm asking her to do such things on my behalf

Mmhm! Just make sure that things like that are beyond coincidence, I guess

Indeed

5:55 PM

For clarification, I mentioned my "finding out how stuff works" cycle

clara-fication

Step 1: Follow the instructions, and/or reasonable interpretations of the instructions and see if the thing happens Step 2: If the thing happens, start changing the steps and see what happens Step 3: Try and find as many trends as you can support amongst the results

Build the wall of reasonable suspicion

Basically

5:58 PM

The style of magic I'm testing should theoretically allow me to affect the real world once I'm sufficiently attuned to an element

5:59 PM

If I can manipulate wind or other such things, that would serve as some pretty convincing evidence

good luck with that

But to even get to that point, I have to do wind attunement, which takes quite a while

6:00 PM

But hey, even with my shallow level of it I can feel the general shape of the wind around me now (edited)

6:00 PM

Not always helpful, but interesting

And of course it is not your imagination

I mean, the curvature data is easy to extrapolate from the relative temperature changes on my skin due to wind

And you did measure it in controlled environment?

Most of the time it's easy because the wind is just coming in one direction, but sometimes I find spots with more complex wind currents

6:02 PM

I mean, it's not really any fancy math

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It's not even "magic" per se

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Just using math for extrapolation

6:03 PM

But in the few complex currents that I've found, there was usually debris and stuff flying around in a pattern that my senses then confirmed

6:05 PM

I haven't had as much time for such endeavors lately due to classes

6:06 PM

Been using my "magic time" to work on forming Vilnia lately

I am kinda interested in this kinda stuff.... haven't really touched it, though

Since having at least one proper tulpa is of use to me

6:08 PM

See, I'll admit that I want magic to be a thing

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But if I'm gonna devote years of my life to something, I want to make sure it's the real shit

Let me know once you make sure it's real~

Well, the problem is that even if I get the ability to manipulate the wind at will, that won't "prove" magic

6:09 PM

It'll just prove that specific technique works

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I get to test every single "spell" idea individually

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Whee.

If one works that gives reason to think that not the whole thing is bull, I guess

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Well, yes

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And I've been trying to abstract as I go along in anticipation for such issues

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Besides, I benefit quite a bit from making sure my magic is legit

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Because if it isn't, that will lead to me trying to use it in a critical moment... and nothing happening

6:12 PM

Which is hardly ideal

Zack's hypnotism abilities can be quite strong....